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Worth of an IP subnet

Worth of an IP subnet
Published by: jack 2010-03-15

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Hi All We own a registered Class C IP Subnet. Can I sell it? What would it be worth? How or who would I sell it to? Thanks in advance

Hello Sean, Classful addressing (class A, class B, class C, etc) is now considered redundant. The original model for distributing IP addresses, based on classful addressing strategies, did not take into account the massive expansion of Internet use and was unable to scale to meet this expansion. Classless Inter Domain Routing (CIDR) is now one of the fundamental requirements for eligibility to receive IP address ranges. It is also the case that IP addresses are considered a shared public resource; they are allocated, rather than sold, ultimately by the top level global authority, down through regional authorities, through larger ISP's, smaller ISP's and finally to individual organisations & individuals. An individual may pay a service charge, or make some equivalent arrangement, with an ISP for exclusive use of a range of so allocated IP addresses, but ultimately full ownership and control does not rest with the individual. Where money *could* possibly change hands, would be in the area of relinquishing your current claim to the use of your IP range, similar to the situation of 'selling' a domain name. This would be a matter for pure negotiation between the seller and the prospective 'purchaser' - however, should the providing upstream ISP encounter difficulties, the effects would remain outside of either parties' control. The allocation of the Internet address space is primarily carried out globally by the ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers). Specifically, ICANN coordinates the assignment of the following identifiers that must be globally unique for the Internet to function: Internet domain names IP address numbers protocol parameter and port numbers Control is further delegated by ICANN to regional registry organisations, operating on behalf of the Internet community: ripe.net - European, Russian, African region http://www.ripe.net/index.html arin.net - North American region http://www.arin.net/ lacnic.net - Latin American and Caribbean region http://lacnic.net/en/index.html apnic.net - Asia & Pacific region http://www.apnic.net/ AfriNIC - an African Regional Internet Registry proposal http://www.afrinic.org/ To quote RIPE : http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/faq/general/qa1.html#10 Can I buy IP addresses from the RIPE NCC? *No.* IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale. http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/faq/general/qa1.html#11 How much do IP addresses cost? The RIPE NCC does *not sell IP addresses* Can I obtain a class C address block? Classful addressing (class A, class B, class C, etc) is now redundant... For in-depth technical detail concerning CIDR and IP Addressing, see the following: IP Address Subnetting Tutorial http://www.ralphb.net/IPSubnet/index.html Search strategy: Searchterms used in Google: purchase ip address african ip registry russian network registry ip subnetting I hope this has answered your question. If you require more information, please do not hesitate to request answer clarification before rating my research; I will be pleased to assist further. Best regards, gan.

Thanks Gan, I don't feel you have answered my question. Whether classful addressing is redundant and how they are assigned is not what I am asking. If I may re-phrase; We have approximately 254 IP addresses assigned directly to us by APNIC (there is no-one else upstream), are they worth anything to sell, rent or, as you have added, relinquish claim to? You came close to answering the question in your statement; "Where money *could* possibly change hands, would be in the area of relinquishing your current claim to the use of your IP range, similar to the situation of 'selling' a domain name." But is relinquishing the current claim the only option? Perhaps this is the key point, domain names are 'sold' even though one could argue they are as much a public public resource as IP addresses. So the question again is; Would I find anyone interested in exchanging money for title to my IP addresses? What would they be worth / is there a history of such exchanges? Who / How do I approach? Hope you can help. Sean

Hi Sean, Thanks for requesting clarification. Certainly, I shall look further into my third paragraph for you. I shall keep you informed as to progress. Assuring you of my attention, gan.

Hello again Sean, I now have several emails out and am following up more leads - please bear with me whilst I gather more information for you. Thanks, gan.

Thanks for the extra effort Gan, look foward to see what turns up. Cheers Sean

Hi again Sean. Not posting with any new information at this time, however I appreciate the frustration of checking for progress and finding no change - Just wanted to let you know that I am still pursuing this matter for you. I have had some response, and will post again presently once I feel I have collated and explored the position to the best of my ability. I will keep you informed. Once again assuring you of my exclusive attention, gan.

Hi again Sean. Once again, just posting to keep you informed. I have further researched some leads but still have a few more to chase up; I'm expecting to be in a position to comment further soon. Best regards, gan.

Thanks Gan, looking forward to it. Cheers Sean

Hello Sean. My apologies for a certain amount of delay in responding, due to the nature of the methods I have employed in searching for further information for you. Here are the results of further research I have carried out into your question so far. It seems that this issue is a centre of some controversy. Very little further information seems to be available by performing web searches on the various search and meta search engines including Google, Profusion, Ask and Dogpile, however, searching Usenet has revealed several threads relevant to the subject, from which you might gain some insight. You may wish to read or even participate in these discussions. I list these below. Please note that the URL's for the Usenet posts are quite long - sometimes these do not post well. If you have difficulty using any links, please visit the following page: http://www.beginnerprogrammer.com/googleanswers/classc.html I have also requested general information directly from Apnic, however I have yet to receive a reponse. As soon as I do hear from them, I shall relay such information as they provide to yourself, together with any further information I am able to locate. Usenet threads: Subject: /24 (Class-C) portable IP blocks for sale: comp.protocols.tcp-ip - (24 articles): Summary: Poster is advertising a number of Class C blocks, suggesting a market price of > $10000 per block, but asking $5000, considering this asking price 'very reasonable'. His beleif is that there are no problems regarding routeability after transfer, basing this statement on reported past experience of success in this vein. Subsequent posters raise a number of relevant issues, also, information is raised pointing to the type of organisations who may have a need for such a commodity, and thus may be worth approaching. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=acoerp%24kbi%40pell.pell.portland.or.us&rnum=21&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dclass%2Bc%2Bfor%2Bsale%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3Dacoerp%2524kbi%2540pell.pell.portland.or.us%26rnum%3D21 Subject: Selling a Class C address: aus.net.access - (5 articles): Summary: Poster had been approached by an agency who were interested in purchasing his Class C, and requests opinion as to a value. Participants point him to Apnic's documentation, illustrating the lease-only nature of the assignment; no possible value is postulated. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=3A4ABEA0.4644%40terrigal.net.au&rnum=60&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dclass%2Bc%2Bfor%2Bsale%26start%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3D3A4ABEA0.4644%2540terrigal.net.au%26rnum%3D60 Subject: Selling / renting / transferring Class C IP Subnet; thread recently initiated: comp.protocols.tcp-ip - (15 articles): Summary: '...APNIC charges quite a bit of money for address space; US$2500 for an application fee plus US$1250/year for anything up to a /22. So, yes, they are worth something...' '...Even if you can't sell, you can usually get around it. Split the company, with the addresses going to one part, then that part is bought by the other company...' http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=23GF9.27033%24hg1.74940%40news-server.bigpond.net.au&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fdq%3D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3D23GF9.27033%2524hg1.74940%2540news-server.bigpond.net.au From the above, it seems to be the case that you would need to either act as an ISP in order to provide announcement & routing for the entity you sell or lease the IP's to, or else organise such via a willing third-party ISP. At this point, it would seem to me that possibly the way forward would be to offer the block as part of a 'going concern' package, with the purchaser organising routing & announcement, if you would rather 'sell' outright, rather than set up as an ISP for this block & go via the 'lease' route. If you feel that your question has not been answered adequately, before rating my research may I draw your attention to the following options which are open to you: 1. You are welcome to ask me to perform further research on your behalf, which I will be happy to carry out. You might like to again identify parts of my research to date, which you feel would profit from further examination. 2. You may request that your question be re-posted, for further attention by another researcher. Please see the following for further details: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=refundrequest 3. You may request that your bid for the question be refunded. Please see the following for further details: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=refundrequest Hoping the above information is helpful to you, Best regards, gan.