Hi,
I want to start a forum design contest in my forum. I want to know if I'm allowed to provide the vB3 GDK (.psd file) for download on my forum so that users can use it to create modified versions of the style images.
And what about providing the final gif's?
Can I give copies to those who want to customize them for our forum?
They are not taking them for themselves! They are just making modifications and returning them to us.
If you have someone specifically working for you then this is allowed. However let me ask you this. How do you plan to control this distribution? And how can you be assured that they will use these images as you specify and not use them elsewhere?
Yeah, I've been considering it since I got my new digital camera. But I'm still stashing for Audition :)
Feldon,
Having access to it doesn't mean that they can take it. All my members have access to at least the final gif's through HTTP. On the other hand, I know forums hosted on servers managed by people that are neither administrators, nor moderators. To add to all of this, the owner of the forum and the licese holder is neither an admin, nor a mod.
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I know that "Steve & Co." are not trying to be mean to us or anything :p But we need a clear rule on this.
Even if I want to change the colors of the buttons, I need to give a copy of the GDK to someone else to do this for me, as I don't have photoshop, because I don't want to pay 700$ for software that I don't use most of the time.
Then, can I give it to specific persons that show interest in designing a modified image set for our forum? Provided that they will not distribute it themselves, or use it in any way other than designing our set of images.
And what about derivative work? I've noticed many people here and on other websites giving images that are clearly part of the vB image set, with minor modifications.
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Can I give away the GDK if I make some modifications to it?
Sorry but distributing any of the vB ed images or materials is not allowed.
How can Jelsoft be assured that we won't use the images elsewhere? You can't, really.
Good points. What I mean is that you cannot distribute the vB GDK since this is ed material.
There has to be some control over the distribution of our ciopyrighted images. We cannot just agree to allow these to be distributed to everyone freely.
As for our images being used on other BBs - that in fact has occured. I have seen both IPB and phpBB styles using our ed images.
Yeah Steve, you're going to have to clarify that bigtime. Otherwise every button set that is derived from vB is illegal and every skin that doesn't look radically different from vB is illegal.
If you want to say that the Photoshop files (The GDK) are not to be distributed, or "anything from the members area" is not to be distributed then I can understand that.
I don't mean to be harsh, but if this is suggesting that my members are taking what's not their own (i.e.: stealing), then this is a really strange opinion. We, as a community, paid Jelsoft money to be able to make use of this product, and we want to know if they allow such use, as this is not clear in the license. Your response is very unprofessional for a "vBulletin Team" member.
That's exactly right. However there is a difference between sharing these images with someone who is working directly for you and allowing just anyone to download them.
I don't mean to be harsh, but if this is suggesting that my members are taking what's not their own (i.e.: stealing), then this is a really strange opinion. We, as a community, paid Jelsoft money to be able to make use of this product, and we want to know if they allow such use, as this is not clear in the license. Your response is very unprofessional for a "vBulletin Team" member.
Sorry but which response are you referring to? The fact is that these are ed images and in order to protect our rights we need to ensure that ed materials are not freely distributed. Does that make more sense?
You can get photoshop elements for $100. :P
I was referring to Floris's reply. (using threaded mode)
It does make sense that these are ed materials, and that they must remain protected. But I want to know if I can give copies of the images, GDK's, styles, and PHP code that comes with vBulletin to whoever wants to make paid or non-paid work/enhancements/hacks to them for our community.
Can I give copies to those who want to customize them for our forum?
They are not taking them for themselves! They are just making modifications and returning them to us.
Forum administrators and maybe even moderators often have access to the FTP, SSH, and presumably the source code of vB. By extension, wouldn't it be strange for them not to have access to the GDK?
I think what Steve and Co. are just trying to prevent is someone putting a download link to the GDK on their website for people other than forum management to download.
Realize that the GDK is only useful if you are happy with the current vB button set and are just needing to create a few more buttons to match the existing style. If you want a new button set, then you don't need the GDK, just start from scratch or some other source material!
However there is a difference between sharing these images with someone who is working directly for you and allowing just anyone to download them.
This all sounds very shaky legally. Are you saying they have to be an employee? What about volunteers? What about personal sites?
I say just let everyone have the GDK. I don't think you really need to worry about people converting the default style for another forum.
Then what can we do?
Suggest your members to make their own images :)
You can get photoshop elements for $100. :PThere are also a gazillion free image manipulation programs out there that are doing a terrific job, for an example GIMP.
I think the GDK and style files should have a somewhat open license, with a clause maybe that states that it can only be used with vBulletin.
But then again, what if I want to use the icons in other parts of my website to have a more consistant look? Say for example, I install a blog, and I want my blog to look similar to my forum. Can I use the forum images, or modified versions of them in my blog?
If I recall correctly, the design of vB1 (the HTML code itself) was ripped directly from ubb.
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Providing the vB3 GDK to my forum members?