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Published by: rose 2010-03-16
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    I would like to market an item based on a character, one that has been in the public domain for decades, but I need to find out of there is any on the character before I start. I need either a lawyer or a service, fee based, that can answer this question for me.


  • Hi There, I?m not a lawyer so the below isn?t official legal advice. However, I have an extensive background working in intellectual property specializing in ownership issues, permissions, advertising review, trademark searching, protection and clearance. I know the answer to your question. Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer is an active registered trademark owned by State National Bank of Evanston, co-trustees of Robert L. May. (See registration filed with the United States Patent & Trademark Office copied below.) Robert L. May most likely being the owner of both the trademark rights and the rights. The registration is for a number of products and specifically lists ?stuffed toys? and other closely related items. The rights alone would likely allow for the owner of Rudolph? to prevent you from making a toy. If you made a toy and used this trademark, the owner would have a right to take action against you and prevent you from using the mark and would also be able to sue you for any profit made and possibly even damages. Also, this trademark was first used in 1947 which gives it another special status and on and on. Save yourself some time and move on from this name and select another one. Some sites that you may find of interest: www.uspto.gov (United States Patent & Trademark Office) - a great source (& the official one) for intellectual property information. www.inta.org (International Trademark Association) ? excellent FAQs and a simpler to navigate site. www..gov (U.S. Office) - also an excellent source. USPTO Record: Typed Drawing Word Mark RUDOLPH THE RED-NOSED REINDEER Goods and Services IC 028. US 022. G & S: Equipment Sold as a Unit for Playing Board and Dart Board Games, Stuffed Toys, Christmas Tree Ornaments, Hand Puppets and Jigsaw Puzzles. FIRST USE: 19470000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19470000 IC 016. US 037 038. G & S: Coloring and Activity Books. FIRST USE: 19470000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19470000 IC 009. US 036. G & S: Filmstrips With and Without Sound Tracks. FIRST USE: 19470000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19470000 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 73268848 Filing Date July 3, 1980 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition October 9, 1984 Registration Number 1309723 Registration Date December 18, 1984 Owner (REGISTRANT) State National Bank of Evanston, co-trustees of Robert L. May, trust under will banking association UNITED STATES Orrington at Davis Evanston ILLINOIS 60204 (LAST LISTED OWNER) RUDOLPH COMPANY, L.P,, THE LIMITED PARTNERSHIP DELAWARE 910 RAILROAD AVENUE NOVATO CALIFORNIA 94945 Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20050820. Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 20050820 Live/Dead Indicator LIVE Also, I?ve found that people often refer to the ?public domain? as being related to something that?s been around for so long that it develops into something that anyone can use. While ?older? things are often found in the public domain, the real definition is that it is ?a thing? that no one owns the rights to so it is everyone?s property. Below 2 definitions best suited to this context: (Source: www.dictionary.com) public domain n :The status of publications, products, and processes that are not protected under patent or . n : property rights that are held by the public at large Hope all this is helpful. Schott
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  • Ay-yi-yi. "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" is indeed ed -- about 100 times over. Each is distinct to a particular item -- a poem, coloring book, story book, film, etc. So...can you use the RTRNR name for a stuffed animal? You MAY be able to, as long as the stuffed animal doesn't clearly resemble an existing version of Rudoph from a ed source, or play the RTRNR jingle when you give its belly a squeeze. However, with so many people out there having a vested interest in the Rudolph name, you MAY ALSO be asking for trouble. Not that they necessarily have more right to use the name than you do. But that doesn't always matter. They might haul you into court just the same, then you'll have to go through the time and expense to hopefully prove you're right. Even though the law MAY be on your side here, I wouldn't suggest going forward with this without the services of a very knowledgable professional in the field. If you're looking for somewhat to contact for such professional advice, let us know where you're located (city and state), and I'll be glad to post some contact information as an answer to your question. All the best, pafalafa-ga


  • I am located in Bloomington Illinois. Yes I certainly do want professional legal advice as I have searched and can find nobody who is marketing what I want to market.


  • Contacting an expert lawyer is definitely the way to go here, but if I can throw in my two cents worth from the peanut gallery here. As indicated, realize that Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is NOT in the public domain. The character was created in the late 1930s by a department store; it's not some piece of ancient folklore or oft-told legend that's long since passed into the public domain. I'm all but certain that the to the character has never lapsed (though it may have been assigned from time to time) so you're going to have to find and negotiate with the proprietor (or his/her/its designated agent) in order to get the rights to do what you need to do. And then there's trademark, which is a whole other thing... Anyway, good luck to you! Sounds like a fun project!


  • pafalafa-ga You answered my question by providing links to lawyers/services that could do the research for me. If you could post this as an answer I can then pay you. Unfortunately things have radically changed at the company where I work in the past week (hence the delay in my response) and so I will be seeing employment elsewhere in the next 6 - 7 months, so I will have to put this project off until that is settled as this project will be more complex than I originally planned. The reason for the delay in seeking another position is to upgrade my computer certifications and this requires much studying and test taking leaving no time to pursue this project. schott23-ga Though you did not directly answer my question you provided even more useful information than the actual answer provided. I would also like to pay you for your assistance at least the equal for the answer to this question and would like some additionaly info, in particular, guidance on how I go about getting approval to use the trademark/ed material - books, services, lawyers, your experience..... I would still like to pursue this (if I can get licensing) but after I move to another company. If you are game I will post another question for you to provide an answer to this.


  • If you're willing to post the name of the character here (remember: this is a public forum) we may be able to give you the answer. pafalafa-ga P.S. You probably need to be just as concerned (maybe more so) about trademarks as with .


  • In Bloomington proper, your options are limited. I would suggest starting with James Arkell, at Dunn, Willard, Arkell and Bugg: http://www.dunnlaw.com/practice_areas.html ===== Technology and Intellectual Property The firm can counsel businesses regarding new developments in the law involving technology and intellectual property and draft policies to implement these changes. The primary contact at the firm for technology and intellectual property services is F. James (?Jim?) Arkell. Mr. Arkell previously worked as General Counsel for Retro Studios, Inc., Austin, Texas where he helped found the company. Retro Studios, Inc. is a software development company which is now owned by Nintendo Company Ltd. Mr. Arkell can offer advice to businesses, as well as individuals, with technology and intellectual property issues including, but not limited to: Licensing Trademark =============== This firm also has a lot of experience in s, etc: http://www.h2law.com/CM/PracticeAreaDescriptions/PracticeAreaDescriptions10.asp?pa=Intellectual%20Property Howard & Howard Attorneys, P.C. They have a satellite office in Bloomington, but it wasn't clear to me if their attornies there have the expereience you're looking for. However, can't hurt to give them a call. Let me know how these initial contacts work out. Also, if you'd like additional contacts, I can certainly come up with others. Just let me know where, geographically, you'd like me to concentrate. Best of luck with your new product. paf


  • I would like to market a line of stuffed animals from the Rudolf The Red Nosed Reindeer story/TV show. Basically I need someone to give me legal advice or research to see if these are owned or open to public domain.





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