Hey All!
I am going to be attending some local football games soon. I have a Cannon DSLR 350D with basic 18-55mm lens, so im intrested in getting a few larger lenses but anyone got any ideas, as i need to think bout costs aswell so please supply all info on range of lenses with various prices please... :wink:
well, that's a nice idea, but if you're going to rent a lens you might as well rent a top quality one (not saying anything bad about the bigma). You may want to try renting something like the the 500 f4 if you decide on renting. like i said before, it all really depends on how close to the action you are. in cases like this it's almost best to get a little 'too much' lens so you wont have to worry about how close you get. i agree with the statement that you can just crank the ISO if you're going to try to use it in BW newspapers.
The most important thing for me is being able to compose the frame to reflect the moment that you're shooting. I'd say you definitely need a zoom.
Of course you'll want to zoom right in on the action but don't forget that you'll also want to zoom right out as the action gets closer. I'm not sure what your cropping factor is but at 1.6 70-300mm will be the equivelant of 112-480mm which should be ok for zooming in but you may struggle to get the action in frame as it gets closer (depending on where you are, of course).
If you can't afford a fast lens then you'll just have to compromise between shutter speed and film speed. Just remember that you can compensate for noise with software (to some degree) but you can't compensate for missed action. ;)
BTW, what will you actually be doing with the shots?
If you are shooting action sports, forget the IS. It won't do you enough good to justify the extra cost. It's good for low light static shots, but if there is movement like at scoccer or any other sports like that, it won't stop action. If you are going to be shooting out doors then the 70-200 4.0L is an excellent lens. It's not as fast as it's big brother, 70-200 2.8L but it's just as sharp, a lot lighter and easier to carry and a whole lot cheaper.
While faster shutter speeds help with fast action sports, you can get by with anywhere from 1/125th on up. You won't have as many keepers but with some practice and knowing how the action is going to unfold so you can pre-plan your shots, you can still get some excellent shots. I will second the 70-200 2.8L as a good choice. I will also 2nd the 100-400 4.5/5.6L as an excellent long reaching zoom lens. I have all 3, 70-200 4.0L, 70-200 2.8L IS and 100-400 4.5/5.6L. I also have the 24-70 2.8L lens which is also an excellent lens if you need something a bit wider at times. I also have the 85mm 1.8 lens for those times when I need a bit extra speed because of the light. It's a very sharp lens, even if it isn't a zoom lens. But it has come in handy in the dark horse arenas where the lighting is not very good.
Mike
Well im thinking about purchasing a Canon EF 90-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM I recon this will work wonders, as i attended a game to day with my 18-55mm and got a few gr8 shots and that got me pretty close to the action, so a 90-300mm USM will get me even closer!
What does everyone think??
Meysha, well if thats the case you cud zoom right in i might consider getting one of those, is it possible you could send me some of the shots today?
fast primes.
unless you're loaded with money, or you're always shooting in bright conditions, then that's really you're only choice. sports moves fast, and you're going to need quite fast shutter speeds to be able to keep up (at least above 1/500th) without getting motion blur. I'd suggest against the 70-300 IS, which might be good for general stuff (i've heard it's much sharper than the older 75-300 IS), but is definitely not a lens that is designed for sports. It's slow, and since the players move quickly, you'll need quick shutter speeds, and the IS might help a little bit, but mosly just with panning. Also, it runs for around 650 USD...you can get much nicer, faster lenses for that price. How close can you get to the action? If you are able to get pretty close (right on the sides) you wont need as long of a lens, so I'd suggest the 85 1.8 (around 350 USD) for that. It's an absolutely terrific lens. If you cant get that close, I'd go for the 200mm 2.8L or the 300mm f4L IS (the 200 you can get for like 600 USD i believe, and the 300 for about 1100 USD - sorry i know you dont buy with USD but i dont know alot of prices the other way around...). The 70-200 2.8L is a great one like darich said, and you can 'zoom right in' with that one, and it's much faster...but also much more expensive. you can get the sigma version (which is also quite good) for much less, as well as canon's older 80-200 2.8L (terrific lens also, but doesnt focus very fast - which you need for sports). keep in mind that the 350d has a faster focusing mechanism that kicks in with apertures of 2.8 and larger (numerically lower). hope that helps some!
Yeah, what Doc said is especially true of the UK. It's getting to the time of year here where the light is only "good" at dawn. Evening local footie matches are almost always done at dusk under crappy floodlights or first thing on a cold morning brrrrr.
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And he's virtually up North in Birmingham :P
Rob
Well hopefully some will be bought by the local paper, but its mainly cause i enjoy it!! and nothing is wrong with that as i get in for free anyway so nothing lost..
I bought it via internet just awaiting for it to arrive. Hopefully very soon! :D
Doc, I disagree with you on the 70-200 4.0L. It works just great outdoors. I used it for about a year at air shows, agility and herding dog shows, boat races, kite boarding and wind surfing and a few other places that had fast action going on. I've used it on both my D30 and 10D (haven't used it on my 1DMKII yet). After I upgraded to the faster versions, it moved to my wife to use on her 10D. Yes, there are times it's not fast enough, but then there are times my 85mm 1.8 isn't fast enough.
If he's shooting sports at night, then unless he can crank his ISO up to 1600 and still get acceptable noise levels (I can with my 1DMKII), it doesn't matter if he has 2.8 lenses or not. He's going to be limited to what he can shoot and get acceptable results. But if there is any daylight, the 70-200 4.0L can be a very effective lens at more than half the price of it's 2.8 equivelants.
Mike
money no object i'd go for Canon 70-200 F2.8 IS USM. I have the non IS version and it's great. A large aperture will help in low light and get the shutter speed up so you don't end up with a bunch of streaks and blurred movement.
Another option is canon 75-300 f4.5-5.6 IS USM. Not as good as the previous lens but it's a fraction of the cost and has a longer zoom.
It all depends what your budget is
Yes, I guess I singled out the 'bigma' because on the one hand it has the all-important big zoom range and on the other hand it's not inconceivable to save some pennies and buy one if you like it. Afterall, you can get them for less than £700 new.
well what do you know, there is a 90-300mm! when are you getting it?
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It sounds like you all thing i havent read the thread, but for the Image Stabalising Lenses, they are completely out of my price range as I only currently do it for fun as a hobby. But i went to a local football game which is the main sporting photography and saw another photographer whom actually was from the local paper, and she only had a 90-200mm and came out with some nice shots so the 90-300mm should do me fine. PLUS its in my price range..
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Look i took this pitcure with my 18-55mm Lens.
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32295
Here is a canon lens chart I made if you would like to compare prices and look at reviews for each lens.
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You'll have shell out the money if you want performance.
70-200 L f/2.8 is your best choice, but costs
70-200 L f/4 is too slow even for outside. Football games happen in the evening usually and you need all the light you can get.
Don't even think about 75-300 - it's crud. DO or IS doesn't matter.
Canon f/4-5.6 (i think) 35-300mm lens with IS
That's an OK lens if you have tons of light, but the quality is objectionable.
There's also 70-200 f/2.8 EX HSM sigma, which I have currently. Very decent performer, but not as fast focusing as canon.
Then there are 135/2 L, 85/1.8 and 100/2 - all focus extremely fast and offer wide aperture.
Another excellent performer is the 120-300 f/2.8 sigma which is very sharp and has no equivalents in the Canon line.
300/2.8 and 400/2.8 are also very popular with the professionals. If you buy them just because "you like it", you're a nut.
Cheers. Look up the prices at bh or somewhere. You get what you pay for, with the exception of the IS feature of 70-200 L
Doc
If the final print is on newspaper, does it really matter if the pictures are grainy? I say crank up the ISO to 1600 or 3200 and focus on content. Doesn't matter if the final print is low quality B&W on newspaper.
If by "newspaper" he means a magazine like Sports Illustrated or something like that, then you are going to need some expensive glass.
Valid opinion. I do have to note that:
1) all sports that you've shot are held exclusively with daylight, except maybe dog shows.
2) You're in oregon, which is closer to the equator so it gets more sunlight. And has significantly less precipitation and cloud coverage than UK does. So at any time of day he'll most likely be getting 1-3 EV values less than you do. Which sucks for him.
Football games tend to be held in the evenings too... not middays.
But I sometimes wish I had f/4 instead of 2.8 It is so much lighter and more compact.
First.. what type of sports photography?
Are we talking indoor sports photography where you'll be on the side lines in a relatively small arena? or outside in a large football field.
As already suggested... Fast primes.... is really the way to go.
The 70-200 f2.8 IS USM is one of canon's best lenses and my personal favorite zoom from the Canon line. This is the lens I would take if indoors ( low light ) in a small arena. For outdoors ( large fields ) with good light, I would rather take the 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L IS USM. Shooting a polo game the past couple of years, I found the 200mm focal length lacking. The 100-400mm lens is one of the best of its class. Unfortunately, they are both expensive lenses. Look for sigma for cheaper options... I've seen quite a few people using long sigma zooms. You will probably want a monopod. Helps steady the lens and keeps you arms from getting too tired.
Sports photography which can involved long distances and low light situations usually means expensive lenses if quality is a must. I have previously shot with the old 75-300mm IS lens. I didn't particularly like the lens ( I sold it ) but it yeilded acceptiable results when used in bright light and faster film/iso.
I haven't heard good things about the 70-300 DO IS USM lens but my interest has peaked. I hope to somehow borrow one for a bit.
Yeah... with the effective aperture of 6.3 the bigma would need an ISO of about 12000 to freeze some action.
:drool2: I'm going to be absolutely no help here, except to say that get a big zoom. I was at a basketball game tonight and the guy next to me had a Canon f/4-5.6 (i think) 35-300mm lens with IS .... and he let me borrow it for a few minutes!! :lovey: I could zoom right in on the player's faces and see the sweat on them. I haven't downloaded them yet so I can't tell you what the quality was like.
Anyway, I'm no help... I just wanted to brag. hehehe. :blushing:
are you sure it's not a 70-300mm? never heard of a 90-300...
People don't really want to see general pictures of football matches - we all know what they look like. We want to see initimate close-ups of elbows in faces, crunching tackles and the facial expressions that go with them.
200mm (320 equiv.) will leave you way short - even if it is the best lens in the world.
It may be a good idea to see if you can hire a couple of lenses for a match then you can get some first-hand idea of what works best for you. You may even sell a picture or two and cover your costs. ;)
Sigma do a 50-500mm (80-800 equiv) which would be a good zoom range. They're most likely too expensive to buy but it may be worth hiring one now and then.
For newspapers, focus on content and composition.
Its definately a 90-300mm USM. Take a look at the specification on canon site...
http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/EF_Lenses/Zoom_Lenses/EF_90300mm_f4556_USM/
Valid opinion. I do have to note that:
1) all sports that you've shot are held exclusively with daylight, except maybe dog shows.
2) You're in oregon, which is closer to the equator so it gets more sunlight. And has significantly less precipitation and cloud coverage than UK does. So at any time of day he'll most likely be getting 1-3 EV values less than you do. Which sucks for him.
Football games tend to be held in the evenings too... not middays.
But I sometimes wish I had f/4 instead of 2.8 It is so much lighter and more compact.
Well, yes, you could say we are closer to the equator. Oregon is at about 47 degrees or so latitude and Birmingham is at about 53 degrees. But we have a lot of mountains around us that cut down on how long the sun shines and being on the wet side of Oregon, we probably get as much rain as he gets in England. We probably even get almost as much fog in the winter as some parts over there do. In normal years, our rainy season runs from about Oct till either just before or just after the 4th of July. So in this part of Oregon at least, we don't have any edge on sunlight. His being closer to the North Pole though, gives him more sunlight in the summer than we have. ;)
Games tend to be in the evening here as well... although most of the fields have lights, though making for harsh conditions.
I do have the advantage of this being Oregon with all of our mountains and rivers and forests and waterfalls though. That beats any old football game any day... even the English version of football. ;D
Mike
...but its mainly cause i enjoy it!!That's the best reason I can think of. :thumbup:
I'd have thought that using a slower lens/higher film speed would be fine for newspapers. I may well be wrong though. :)
Well... that's not true though, is it! :lol:
Today is a very overcast, gloomy day in Birmingham and I've just pointed my camera at some grass at ISO 1600/f6.3 and got a respectable shutter speed of 1/350 - 1/700 @ ISO (1/700@ISO) 3200. I think that would do very nicely if you're on a tight budget.
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